Today, a guy I know (an Aide to Shelia Jackson Lee), asked me my stance on Immigration Reform because of a post I made. Here are the excerpts of the conversation which included two other individuals.
Ivan Sanchez Do you align yourself with Cruz in Immigration Reform?
Trebor Gordon …and my “Conservative” values are unwavering. I have had this conversation with many from the “Left”, I’m surprised you haven’t been apprised.
Ivan Sanchez What does “Conservative through and through” mean on your stance on immigration reform?
Unnamed Friend: *Gets popcorn*
Trebor Gordon Come, on Ivan, you’ve been around long enough to know what “Conservative” means. I’m a strong opponent against “Amnesty” . The point that I would make this post, should tell you where I stand. I don’t believe in ANY “Liberal” or “Progressive” ideologies. I’m quite sure my stance on various subjects is touched on in many conversational circles. Anyone who knows me will surely explain to you, I am not at all quiet or short on words about my convictions or beliefs. Additionally, MANY from the “Left” will express to you how much they love and respect me despite our different points of view.
Trebor Gordon Great comment, Unnamed Friend: !…lol
Then, along comes a “Spider”
Durrel K. Douglas So Trebor Gordon you still didn’t answer Ivan Sanchez‘s question: What are your views on Immigration Reform? I didn’t see an answer yet, just talking points of sorts. I’ve attached a Wikipedia link to assist you in coming up with a position.Durrel K. Douglas So Trebor Gordon you still didn’t answer Ivan Sanchez’s question: What are your views on Immigration Reform? I didn’t see an answer yet, just talking points of sorts. I’ve attached a Wikipedia link to assist you in coming up with a position. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_reform ( Awh, he wanted to educate me or give me a little help, thanks Durrel)
Unnamed Friend: In his defense: He says he doesn’t believe in ANY liberal ideologies.
Durrel K. Douglas What does “liberal ideologies” imply? I’m confused? What does liberal or conservative have to do with Immigration Reform? This isn’t about party, this is about America. What say you, Trebor?
Walter Cole Can someone explain why we need “Immigration Reform”? Why not uphold and enforce the current, and pretty fair, current immigration laws?
Unnamed Friend: Walter you must not understand the current situation with immigration. Both parties agree on reforms, it’s just a matter of policy and implementation that is ethical, moral, benefits our economy, and benefits newcomers and current citizens. At this point it’s a matter of which of what I named above is the priority and, of course, Liberals and Conservatives disagree on priorities.
Trebor Gordon Oh wow, Mr Durrel K. Douglas. You are part of the “ranks” who don’t know where I stand. Resolving illegal immigration isn’t easy. For example, most people, even immigration reform advocates, would agree that denying anyone emergency medical care is morally wrong. Yet, they would also agree that access to American medical care shouldn’t be a perk for illegal immigrants — and yet it is. Illegal laborers injured during the course of a menial job are treated by top notch American physicians.
Separating families is also morally wrong, yet when two illegal aliens have a child in America, the child becomes a US citizen, which means deporting the parents creates an American orphan. Here’s an example of illegal aliens accessing US medical facilities, and also creating an avenue to permanent US residency without the necessity of becoming an American citizen.
Americans consider things like medical care and family unity basic human rights, but for many immigrants who aren’t afforded the same rights in their countries of origin, these rights are often seen as rewards for making it to America.
While rewarding people who come to America illegally only encourages more people to come illegally, the solution is not to deny them their basic human rights.
If the giant moat we call the Atlantic Ocean isn’t enough to deter illegal immigration, building bigger and stronger fences at the US/Mexico border won’t be either.
About the only viable solution to the problem of illegal immigration is removing the incentive to emigrate to America. If people have no reason to leave home, they won’t. Poverty, persecution and opportunity are the main reasons people flee their country of origin. Better foreign aid and a more engaged foreign policy may be the only options to stem the tide of illegal immigration.
Unnamed Friend: Trebor… we just agreed on something my friend!! However, there is still an issue of what we do with the undocumented individuals and families that are already here.
Trebor Gordon People who receive US citizenship through amnesty have no reason to follow US laws, considering they’ve just been rewarded for their illegal immigration activities, which, beyond just their illegal status, could include associated crimes ranging from forgery to fraud. While many illegal laborers are honest and hardworking, others may learn the wrong lessons.
For example, their condition as illegal laborers teaches them that to run a business employers must hire cheap illegal labor and pay poverty-level wages. Their reward of amnesty teaches them that it’s OK to create false documents to get what you want like welfare checks.
This may seem far-fetched, but these are actual problems associated with amnesty and illegal immigration.
Perhaps the most harmful aspect of illegal immigration is the misinformation spread by its advocates. Their push for “multiculturalism” is really a push for amnesty. Their calls for things like bilingual education, foreign language election ballots and racial quotas in the work-place only serve to undermine the legitimate immigration process. Even the most open-minded of Americans tend to feel threatened by the idea of cultural dominance by a foreign influence.
Most conservatives support immigration reform that combines the elements of increased border patrol, workplace enforcement and a guest worker system for legal resident aliens seeking citizenship.
Just as important, from a conservative perspective, is the idea of a multi-year path to citizenship for resident illegals requiring them to pay taxes, live crime free and learn English.
Trebor Gordon I knew it, my Unnamed Friend: ! lol. The answers are in my last
Unnamed Friend: Well I need to analyze your last comments. I definitely agree with more foreign aid though. Americans shouldn’t feel threatened by “multiculturalism” and if most of them are, that still doesn’t make it right. I’m not rebutting, just thinking out loud.
Trebor Gordon “He don’t know me very well, do he?” (quote taken from an old Warner Brothers cartoon, Bugs Bunny)
Trebor Gordon Walter, great question! Part of the reason we need “Immigration Reform” is: Employers capitalized on cheap labor prior to the last gift of amnesty in 1986 and before the ink was dry (Ragan’s ink) the influx of more allains was already in motion. In less than 30 years, depending on who you listen to, the numbers have climbed to nearly 12 million. With the increased dream of being blessed with the same short-sighted gift, many have made their way across the borders. Now we are at a point where this influx has affected our economy and even many conservatives are concerned about the affects. In short, we ALL have created a monster ( just like the movie, with a defective brain) and no one knows the exact prescription to fix the problem.